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TheTrainingCoop Message Board http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com TheTrainingCoop Message Board 60 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:34:35 GMT Endurance flying vice Enduro biking http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3556009 My timing is off again!  There I was all signed up and ready for Reach The Beach race on Sunday, with days off booked starting friday morning and through to monday for good measure, but  ... <br><br>Thursday night I got the call that our Squadron needed to deploy a SAR Hercules and crew up to Whitehorse to help continue a week plus ongoing search for a small civilian aircraft with two persons on board that was missing on a flight from Anchorage, Alaska to Whitehorse (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2009/07/02/yukon-missing-plane.html">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2009/07/02/yukon-missing-plane.html</a>).  So I'm up here now and not sure how much longer I will be doing endurance flying vice biking.<br><br>So ... no RTB and there officially goes my MUERTO competing plans for this year <img src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/frown.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0">.  Oh well, there's still more enduros to come, including the XC8 in Sask.<br><br> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3556009 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:38:46 GMT Tom Seasonal Disappointment - Acceptance http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3542023 I type this after sleeping most of the day ... home, sick and <i><b>disappointed</b></i> at missing some great flying planned for today and trying to <i><b>accept</b></i> that I must miss another Wed Night Race ... <i>whine whine whine<b> </b></i><img src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/frown.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0">!<br><br>The dictionary defines <b><i>disappoint</i></b><i>ment</i><b><i> </i></b>as:<br>1.  to fail to fulfill the expectations or wishes of; or<br>2.  to defeat the fulfillment of (hopes, plans, etc.); thwart; frustrate.<br><br>That's how I feel about this late spring/early summer season of biking.  <b><i>Expectations, wishes, hopes and plans appearing to be</i></b><b><i> thwarted!</i> </b> I got in lots of good biking this winter/early spring and enjoyed a sweet adventure trip to Moab with Lori as well.  But, since April, substantial biking has been sparse due to my work schedule and time away from home.<br><br>I am most <b><i>disappointed</i></b> that I have not had the time to increase the length of my training rides consistently.  My racing plans for this season were scaled back from last years over-optimistic and <b><i>thwarted</i></b> hopes of racing in most everything!  So, this year the racing focus (other than some WNRs) was/is to work on endurance and take part in the <a target="_blank" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QZPCnrmTIWk/Sidiyhe5r6I/AAAAAAAADV8/rysXst82SNo/s1600-h/MUERTO+Poster.png">MUERTO experiment</a> by racing 4 to 5 of the enduros (yes I do like to compete!).  I have already had to miss the great Back 40 enduro race and now it looks like I will have to be away when the Birch Fall Classic Marathon happens in Sept. ... baahh!<br><br>I love my job, but it has been getting in the way of some of my biking fun ... I know ... <i>whine whine whine</i> ... but I coordinated a detailed leave plan at work to allow for these events, but so far it has been <i><b>thwarted</b></i>!<br><br>Wow ... feels good to get that out of my system ... whining or not!  I know I must move on to <i><b>acceptance</b></i>.  I will make the best of it, enjoy as much biking as I can (with family and friends) and still race as much as I can ... all the while <i><b>accepting</b></i> that competing is just a motivator for me anyways <img src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" width="15" height="15">!<br> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3542023 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:32:11 GMT Tom kudos to ... http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3537607 Hey everyone! Congrats to the relay team! <br><br>I also wanted to congratulate Scott, my most excellent personal trainer, for helping me get on the podium on my 1st Sprint triathlon yesterday. It was my 2nd triathlon ever and also my 2nd time placing...you guessed it...2nd. With a time of 1:23:18, I was happy.<br><br>I had some difficulty with the swim leg, seeing as how I'd never practiced with a wet suit before. My friend Lisa chided me before the race saying the number one rule of racing is "never try anything new on race day." I'd been traveling most of the summer and just hadn't tested it out yet. I'm not sure how much of it to blame on the wet suit, but I felt short of breath and couldn't get into my usual swimming rhythm.<br><br>The bike went great, 12.4 miles in 37:41, or a 19.8 average pace. I came in 14th out of 123 females! I finished the 3.1 mile run in 25:25, or an 8:12 pace. <br><br>So thanks to Scott, for keeping me motivated and strong!<br><br> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3537607 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:02:44 GMT Jen Riding the Monkey Trails http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3535847 Ahhh summer and dry river beds again ... time to ride the river and park trails ... without snow!  First up, the Assiniboine Park "Monkey" trails and what better bike to use on them than my Karate Monkey.<br>Popped on my helmet cam and here's a little video remix:<br><br><object height="405" width="500"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/57VvFKcusio&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01&border=1"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/57VvFKcusio&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="405" width="500"></object><br><br>Connected with Brian D. a few days before on part of the same stretch and added a bit of that footage too.<br>Summer - sweet <img src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0">! <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3535847 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:02:10 GMT Tom Swamp Donkey http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3532753 I put this on the Olympia Board, but I don't think anyone's reading it.<br>I know someone's reading this one.<br><br>Has anyone here done the Swamp Donkey?<br>I'm wondering how tough the running/treking is.<br>I've got a potential teammate with a bum knee.<br><br>Surprisingly, its not me! My knee crapped out last year while training for the Hypothermic Half.  It still wasn't great last winter.  In the spring, I started taking a multi-vitamin every day on the chance that I was missing something in my diet and it has gotten progressively better!<br><br>This is of course anecdotal evidience,  and I can't prove any real connection.<br>I thought I'd put it out there to see what others think.  I'm generally not that concerned about about diet and supplements, but maybe I should be...<br><br><br> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3532753 Thur, 18 Jun 2009 15:17:17 GMT Vern Nelson test paddle http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3530917 I don't have much time this morning to post a lengthy review of my new kayak (actually purchased last fall after the snow arrived) but paddled for the 1st time yesterday but I wanted to type something up quickly.  The boat is an Think Fit, and it's a bit of a hybrid between a surf ski and a K1 racing boat.  As you'd expect it's fast, and a bit tippy.  Actually it's no more tippy than I expected, and secondary stability isn't that bad, but the initial stability when getting into the boat is pretty rocky.  It was nice to have a dock and some clean water for the 1st entry.  <br><br>It is definately fast.  Acceleration is way faster than any boat I've paddled before (the only limiting factor now is my stroke technique and strength) and it can maintain speed with far less effort than anything I've paddled before too.  I haven't decided yet if I like the rudder.  It's nice to have, but it's another thing to think about.  I may try it with the rudder taken off to see what I think of the difference.  <br><br>The biggest plus of all is the seat.  It's a very simple, molded fiberglass seat with absolutely no adjustment (it's just molded into the hull of the boat) but wow does it feel good.  Best seat I've ever been in.<br><br>Anyway, this boat won't replace my go-to Evergreen Envy which I will continue to use for most of my paddling, but it sure is cool to have the fast Fit for a little bit of variety.  I can't wait to take it surfing in the waves of Lake Winnipeg.<br><br>A couple of pics are below (Tom joined me for the inaugral paddle, using my Envy.  He took some video which may make it up here at some point too).<br><br><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center><IMG alt="" hspace=0 src="http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/newkayakpaddle.jpg" align=baseline border=0></P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center>Tom getting out of the water</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center> </P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center><IMG alt="" hspace=0 src="http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/newkayakpaddle2.jpg" align=baseline border=0></P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center>Scott enjoying the first 'beach' day of the season.</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center> </P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3530917 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:09:18 GMT Scott Bur Oak http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3527502 Well it appears that summer may finally be here (and not a moment too soon, or maybe even a few moments too late, but I won't complain today) and over the weekend Deanna, Graham, and I went out on our first Bur Oak trail ride of the season (sadly Tom and Lori couldn't make it - next time guys).  <br><br>I intended to take out my helmet cam but ended up doing some bike modifications prior to the ride and didn't have time to set up the camera as well.  I did snap one quick, and decidely unexciting, shot of Graham and Deanna packing up after the ride just to prove we were out there.<br><br>The ride was really good.   I took my Karate Monkey, which I haven't really used on a trail ride except for some relatively brief rides thru the Assiniboine Park trails.  I haven't ridden with gears out at Bur Oak in 3 years so it was interesting to have a 1x9 (as my Karate Monkey is currently set up) out there.  Actually, I found that by the 2nd lap I shifted to the 'correct' gear and didn't shift again for the rest of the day.  Hmmm, maybe I prefer a single speed out there.  As for the 29er wheels, the jury's out.  There are a couple of very brief sandy sections where the larger wheels are a huge asset, and they roll nicely over some of the roots too, but so much of the rooty section is also very twisty and it felt a little more cumbersome getting the large wheels thru the corners.  The Karate Monkey is a great commuter, winter bike, and enduro racer (not that I do enduros) but for me I don't know if it's best suited to twisty sort-of-technical single track.  I was also riding the bike rigid so it's tough to know what it would have felt like with some suspension.  Regardless, I had a great time on the trails.  And the greatest success of all: We stopped at McD's on the way home and I resisted the urge to 'go big' and ordered a junior chicken sandwich (hold the mayo), small fries, and diet coke.  Not exactly the meal of champions, but better than it could have been.<br><br><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center><IMG alt="" hspace=0 src="http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/buroakapresride.jpg" align=baseline border=0></P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3527502 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:37:45 GMT Scott Twitter feed http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3518990 <P>Determined not to lose pace with the younger generation I've embedded some twitter badges onto the home page of this message board (thought I'm sure all the 12-16 year olds are on to something much hipper by now).  Actually, I've embedded twitter because Deanna says that she rarely has enough time to log a whole message board posting about her latest workout, but she would like to blog about what she's doing in order to keep her honest, so we thought that typing quick twitter messages after most workouts might be useful.  I'm happy to add twitter badges to the homepage for any other TrainingCoop member too - just let me know, or not.</P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3518990 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:43:36 GMT Scott Amazing Trials Rider ... http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3509930 Check this out ... amazing ... <br><br><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Z19zFlPah-o&hl=en&fs=1&"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Z19zFlPah-o&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></object><br>especially 0:56-1:20, 3:08-3:12, 3:28-3:42 & 4:28-4:32<br><br>I know there are lot's a great trails riders out there, but this video is very cool!<br> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3509930 Thur, 04 Jun 2009 02:43:49 GMT Tom Spring Paddle http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3506124 <P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left>It's been a pretty miserable spring by pretty much everyone's account, but today was beautiful (except for the unexpected storm in the late afternoon - more about that later), if still a few degrees colder than normal so Deanna and I made the most of it by finally getting the boats out on the water.  Deanna had planned to take the day off of work and I booked it off of helping at the <A href="http://www.olympiacycle.com" target=_blank target=_blank>shoppe</A> as well.</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left> </P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left>We dropped in at Beaudry Park (leaving our Jeep there and planning to return later via motorcycle to retrieve it) and headed home from there.  In the 4 hours of paddling plus 1 hour of picnic we encountered the usual riverside wildlife (and a fox - first time we've seen one in the city), passed numerous houses that are most certainly out of our credit range, spotted what was either Tom or one of his fellow flying aces overhead, attracted 7 ticks between the 2 of us (not bad for this time of year) and overall had a great trip.</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left> </P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left>Retrieving the Jeep after we returned home was a little less ideal - I managed to get Deanna to the Jeep in fine condition but on the way home I got caught on my motorbike in a sudden thunder storm with 90 km/h winds.  I made it home wet and cold but in one piece, and managed to keep the bike upright the whole way.  All's well that ends well, or at least without injury.</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left> </P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left>Who's up for doing this with us next time?  Here's a slideshow to entice you:</P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left> </P><DIV style="WIDTH: 480px; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><EMBED src=http://w304.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/49dd3166.pbw width=480 height=360 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent"><A href="http://photobucket.com/slideshows" target=_blank target=_blank><IMG style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; FLOAT: left; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px" src="http://pic.photobucket.com/slideshows/btn.gif"></A><A href="http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/?action=viewt=49dd3166.pbw" target=_blank target=_blank><IMG style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; FLOAT: left; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px" src="http://pic.photobucket.com/slideshows/btn_viewallimages.gif"></A></DIV><P></P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3506124 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:37:34 GMT Scott Best workout EVER! http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3487286 <P>Scott gave me a hill run workout on a treadmill today and it was awesome! This is my new favourite travel workout (since I fear I will not like it so much once I'm off the treadmill and on a real hill at home). Felt super athletic on max incline - and when I got off the treadmill at the end there was a pile of rubber on the floor behind the belt. I'm telling myself it was because I worked so hard the treadmill couldn't keep up <IMG src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3487286 Thur, 21 May 2009 02:47:38 GMT Deanna First week back http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3486021 This is my first week back training after a lengthy sabbatical caused by an excessive workload over the past month and a half. Thinking back, I'm already second guessing whether or not I couldn't have gotten even just a <EM>few</EM> workouts in... but no. It was insane. <BR>I'm in Las Vegas at a conference this week, but Scott and I worked out 'together' yesterday, coordinating our workout times across time zones so that we were in the gym - albeit separated by miles and miles - at the same time. <BR>OK, so it wasn't the same as <EM>really</EM> working out together - but it was something. With my lack of working out lately, we haven't worked out together in a long time and I've missed it. Soon I'll be home (tomorrow <IMG src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gif" align=absMiddle border=0>) for a real together workout!<BR> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3486021 Wed, 20 May 2009 14:02:04 GMT Deanna great workout http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3483451 <P>Thought I'd type a quick post to say that I just finished a great workout.  Sometimes you can't figure out quite why a workout felt particularly good (I haven't changed anything up recently, I had a somewhat 'regular' day, and so on) but it just really felt good.  There's a UFC knockout special marathon on tonight so I turned the TV in the workout room on and watched guys pummel each other as I did chest, back, and ab work.  The ab workout, reclining or 'extended' sit-ups on our fitness tree with two 15 lb dumbells that I extend or punch into the air and across the body when my abs are fully contracted, were really hard but really good tonight.  The idea is to work the obliques with the cross-body punches - sometimes I feel like I've got good form and other times it just doesn't seem to click.  Tonight it really clicked and I anticipate feeling the obliques burn tomorrow.  Good stuff.</P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3483451 Tue, 19 May 2009 01:05:34 GMT scott new dream bike http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3474302 Wow, I think I found my new dream bike.  Not that I need any more bikes (though that's never stopped me in the past), but still...<br><br>Here's a pic of the beautifully polished stainless steel tubing and the seat stay integrated seat post clamp, and following is a link to the related article and some more pics:<br><br><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center><IMG alt="" hspace=0 src="http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/scottwiebe/CinelliXCrSeatClamp_JPG.jpg" align=baseline border=0></P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=center> </P><P style="MARGIN: 0px" align=left>Here's the link to the article and more pics:  <A href="http://velonews.com/article/92005/cinelli-introduces-its-columbus-xcr-stainless-steel-road" target=_blank>http://velonews.com/article/92005/cinelli-introduces-its-columbus-xcr-stainless-steel-road</A></P> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3474302 Wed, 13 May 2009 15:30:06 GMT Scott Welcome Surly Karate Monkey http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3468512 <b>Ok, there are two facts that were recently reconfirmed for me:</b><br><b>1. </b> <b>Lori is awesome!</b><br><b>2.  I am spoiled (by her)!</b><br><br><b>When I got back from a recent trip away, Lori told me to check out the living room ... what do I find? ...</b><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230128.jpg"><br><b>This sweet 29-er Surly Karate Monkey bike</b> <b>that I had been eyeing up covetously at Olympia since mid winter</b> ... especially after <a target="_blank" href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3350975">comparing riding "notes" with Scott about his own Karate Monkey bike</a> (after having the air shock seals and hydraulic brake lines fail on my Giant dualie, that I rode all through the winter)!<br><br><b>Lori had secretly put it on layaway and had been paying it off at Olympia</b> since my first interest in it (all the while supposedly 'ignoring' my hints about the winter riding merits of the Karate Monkey) ... sneaky ... and great!!<br><br><b>Thanks Lori</b> <img src="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/love.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0"><b>!</b><br><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230129.jpg" width="350" height="262"> <img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230130.jpg" width="350" height="262"><br>The Karate Monkey's <b>super-solid rigid frame</b> will never have shock issues in the frigid cold ...<br><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230132.jpg" width="350" height="262"> <img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230138.jpg" width="350" height="262"><br>It's <b>uber-wide forks</b> allow for fatty tires and the <b>cable disc brakes</b> will never fail due to the cold ...<br><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230141.jpg" width="350" height="262"> <img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230142.jpg" width="350" height="262"><br>Of course I was got out riding my new steed the next day and called up Scott to join me with his own Karate Monkey.  He had been in on the behind-the-scenes deal Lori got on my bike at Olympia.  In fact, he was the one who tipped me off to the bike, which fit me perfectly and was kitted out just right for all-year use.  <b>Thanks Scott!</b><br><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230148.jpg"><br>Yup, I love my new bike and just happened to capture that in the above pic from a recent long trail ride.<br><b>*Notice the new Surly wool riding cap ... a gift from Scott & Deanna (thanks!) ... like I said ... I'm spoiled!</b><br><br><img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq152/trainingcooptom/P4230188.jpg"><br><b>Welcome Surly Karate Monkey!</b> <p>Forum: <a href="http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=108704">TheTrainingCoop.com Main Board</a> http://thetrainingcoop.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3468512 Sun, 10 May 2009 04:52:23 GMT Tom